ITERATE need help.

[jos phili]

Hello

I need to copy OBR 4.1 into OBX 3.1. However, when i finish making my iterate, a NTE segment comes in between my OBX segment and null my iterate. How can I stop this from happening?

OBR|1|402485836^HNAM_ORDERID||BMP^BMP|||20141211101800||||||5|20141211101816|Serum&Serum^^^^^Venous Draw|

OBX|1|NM|BMP^BMP^LN^BUN^BUN^HL7STDSRC||12|mg/dL^mg/dL|7-18^7^18|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TESTTEST|^^^TEST TEST

OBX|2|NM|BMP^BMP^LN^Creatinine^Creatinine^HL7STDSRC||1.00|mg/dL^mg/dL|0.70-1.40^0.70^1.40|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TEST|^^^TEST TEST

NTE|1||Effective 8/4/2014, the anion gap calculation no longer includes the potassium level.

OBX|3|NM|17861-6^CALCIUM:MCNC:PT:SER/PLAS:QN:^LN^Calcium Lvl^Calcium Lvl^HL7STDSRC||9.0|mg/dL^mg/dL|8.5-10.1^8.5^10.1|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TEST|^^^TEST TEST

OBX|4|NM|2345-7^GLUCOSE:MCNC:PT:SER/PLAS:QN:^LN^Glucose Lvl^Glucose Lvl^HL7STDSRC||66|mg/dL^mg/dL|65-110^65^110|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TEST|^^^TEST TEST

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[Jim Kosloskey]

Are you using BULKCOPY?

Do you not want NTE segments in the OBX Grop to go to the receiving system?

email: jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com 30+ years Cloverleaf, 60 years IT – old fart.

[jos phili]

yes, I am using Bulkcopy. However, i need the nte segment to go out, and i need the obx 3.1 to show whats in obr 4.1

[Jim Kosloskey]

Give us a screen shot of your ITERATE and Actions inside.

email: jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com 30+ years Cloverleaf, 60 years IT – old fart.

[jos phili]

here is a pic of the iterate. really simple.

[Jim Kosloskey]

Show us the properties of the ITERATE.

email: jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com 30+ years Cloverleaf, 60 years IT – old fart.

[jos phili]

the property of the iterate

[Jim Kosloskey]

Now show us the innbound and outbound variant structures for this message type.

email: jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com 30+ years Cloverleaf, 60 years IT – old fart.

[jos phili]

Inbound

OBR|1|402485836^HNAM_ORDERID||BMP^BMP|||20141211101800|||||||20141211101816|Serum&Serum^^^^^Venous Draw|

OBX|1|NM|3094-0^UREA NITROGEN:MCNC:PT:SER/PLAS:QN:^LN^BUN^BUN^HL7STDSRC||12|mg/dL^mg/dL|7-18^7^18|||? Unknown|F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST|^^^TEST

OBX|2|NM|2160-0^CREATININE:MCNC:PT:SER/PLAS:QN:^LN^Creatinine^Creatinine^HL7STDSRC||1.00|mg/dL^mg/dL|0.70-1.40^0.70^1.40|||? Unknown|F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST|^^^TEST

NTE|1||Effective 8/4/2014, the anion gap calculation no longer includes the potassium level.

OBX|3|NM|17861-6^CALCIUM:MCNC:PT:SER/PLAS:QN:^LN^Calcium Lvl^Calcium Lvl^HL7STDSRC||9.0|mg/dL^mg/dL|8.5-10.1^8.5^10.1|||? Unknown|F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST|^^^TEST

OBX|4|NM|2345-7^GLUCOSE:MCNC:PT:SER/PLAS:QN:^LN^Glucose Lvl^Glucose Lvl^HL7STDSRC||66|mg/dL^mg/dL|65-110^65^110|||? Unknown|F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST|^^^TEST

Outbound

OBR|1|402485836^HNAM_ORDERID||BMP^BMP|||20141211101800||||||5|20141211101816|Serum&Serum^^^^^Venous Draw|

OBX|1|NM|BMP^BMP^LN^BUN^BUN^HL7STDSRC||12|mg/dL^mg/dL|7-18^7^18|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TESTTEST|^^^TEST TEST

OBX|2|NM|BMP^BMP^LN^Creatinine^Creatinine^HL7STDSRC||1.00|mg/dL^mg/dL|0.70-1.40^0.70^1.40|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TEST|^^^TEST TEST

NTE|1||Effective 8/4/2014, the anion gap calculation no longer includes the potassium level.

OBX|3|NM|17861-6^CALCIUM:MCNC:PT:SER/PLAS:QN:^LN^Calcium Lvl^Calcium Lvl^HL7STDSRC||9.0|mg/dL^mg/dL|8.5-10.1^8.5^10.1|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TEST|^^^TEST TEST

OBX|4|NM|2345-7^GLUCOSE:MCNC:PT:SER/PLAS:QN:^LN^Glucose Lvl^Glucose Lvl^HL7STDSRC||66|mg/dL^mg/dL|65-110^65^110|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TEST|^^^TEST TEST

[Jim Kosloskey]

No I need to see the HL/7 Configurator Message Structure for the inbound and outbound variants not the actual messages.

email: jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com 30+ years Cloverleaf, 60 years IT – old fart.

[jos phili]

oh, okay.

[Jim Kosloskey]

You are using thee same variant for inbound and outbound?

I am going to assume that is true.

OK your OBX repeatss at the Group level (as I suspected).

You need to reset the basis in your ITERATE to the proper point for the OBX Group, then set the Iteration Type to ‘Group’, then use something like %g1 for your variable.

Then in the Actions inside the ITERATE, replace %s1 with a zero and place %g1 in the proper location of the address path.

You are iteerating at the segment level but it is a group repetition.

email: jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com 30+ years Cloverleaf, 60 years IT – old fart.

[jos phili]

Thank you so much. i made those changes. It got the job done for OBX|3|, but OBX|4| wont take the changes. And it change the OBX|2| back to the original inbound message. my outbound message is coming out like the following:

OBR|1|402485836^HNAM_ORDERID||BMP^BMP|||20141211101800||||||5|20141211101816|Serum&Serum^^^^^Venous Draw|

OBX|1|NM|BMP^BMP^LN^BUN^BUN^HL7STDSRC||12|mg/dL^mg/dL|7-18^7^18|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TESTTEST|^^^TEST TEST

OBX|2|NM|BMP^BMP^LN^Creatinine^Creatinine^HL7STDSRC||1.00|mg/dL^mg/dL|0.70-1.40^0.70^1.40|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TEST|^^^TEST TEST

NTE|1||Effective 8/4/2014, the anion gap calculation no longer includes the potassium level.

OBX|3|NM|BMP^BMP^LN^Calcium Lvl^Calcium Lvl^HL7STDSRC||9.0|mg/dL^mg/dL|8.5-10.1^8.5^10.1|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TEST|^^^TEST TEST

OBX|4|NM|2345-7^GLUCOSE:MCNC:PT:SER/PLAS:QN:^LN^Glucose Lvl^Glucose Lvl^HL7STDSRC||66|mg/dL^mg/dL|65-110^65^110|||? |F|||20141211101929||^Test^TEST TEST|^^^TEST TEST

[Jim Kosloskey]

Show me your changes including the ITERATE properties..

email: jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com 30+ years Cloverleaf, 60 years IT – old fart.

[Andre Houtzager]

When you test it in the HL7 testing tool it will parsed as follow

1(0).1(0).0(0).OBR(0)  :  >|1|402485836

1(0).1(0).1(0).OBX(0)  :  >|1|NM|3094-0^

1(0).1(0).1(0).OBX(1)  :  >|2|NM|2160-0^

1(0).1(0).1(0).NTE(0)  :  >|1||Effective 8/4

1(0).1(0).1(1).OBX(0)  :  >|3|NM|17861-6^

1(0).1(0).1(1).OBX(1)  :  >|4|NM|2345-7^G

So there are two groups and the iterate will pass two times.

changing only outbound 1(0).1(0).1(0).OBX(0) and 1(0).1(0).1(1).OBX(0)

As suspected:

1(0).1(0).1(0).OBX(0)  :  >|1|NM|BMP^BMP^

1(0).1(0).1(0).OBX(1)  :  >|2|NM|2160-0^

1(0).1(0).1(0).NTE(0)  :  >|1||Effective 8/4

1(0).1(0).1(1).OBX(0)  :  >|3|NM|BMP^BMP^C

1(0).1(0).1(1).OBX(1)  :  >|4|NM|2345-7

a solution is to do an OBX segment iteration in the OBX groups iteration

The result will be what you want i think

1(0).1(0).1(0).OBX(0)  :  >|1|NM|BMP^BMP

1(0).1(0).1(0).OBX(1)  :  >|2|NM|BMP^BMP

1(0).1(0).1(0).NTE(0)  :  >|1||Effective 8/4/

1(0).1(0).1(1).OBX(0)  :  >|3|NM|BMP^BMP

1(0).1(0).1(1).OBX(1)  :  >|4|NM|BMP^BMP

[Jim Kosloskey]

Remove repetition for OBX segment (the OBX repeats as a part of the group not as a segment) from the variant(s) then ITERATE at the group level and use that group position in the address path.

Normally the OBX is also required but that is not affecting you.

It is pretty common for me to see people modify the variant at the OBX group because they do not understand the OBX repeats as a part of the group not as a segment.

email: jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com 30+ years Cloverleaf, 60 years IT – old fart.

[jos phili]

Thank you for all your help.

Solution:

i had to remove the segment iterate.  set my basis value to the group level. and change my variable to “%g1”. Unfortunately, my inbound and outbound HL7 variant message structure was a little funny. so i change the variant by removing the repeats and optional from OBX.

Thank you again for your help.   😀

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