Cloverleaf Level 3 Course

knowing that you have Certified analysts out here since 94/95 (that’s me)…there has been alot of new ground broken in the past 10 years…and quite frankly….the documentation onlhy recently has gotten to the point of being able to use it.

We are one of those sites (2 certified folks) who are interested in understanding and configuring and working with XML and SSL and other protocols introduced mainly in the past 2-3 years.

We hope to attend in April

Money being tight….we have to choose..otherwise..I would almost be tempted to revisit Tech II to make sure we are ready for III…but cant $  😕

Bob

Charlie,

with respect to your comments re: web experience and web related material in the Level 3 course, are you referring to general HTML and Web server experience (as it pertains to building our own monitoring web page) or do you refer to experience with Cloverleaf’s Global Monitor product?

Perfect description…

Thanks, Charlie.

a couple of the areas that were not covered as part of tech II when we took it in the 90’s either because…time constraints or just not part of cloverleaf at the time:

If any of the following are now typically offered in tech II…please indicate.

I might also suggest a tech II refresher for a 1-2 day period…to address the folks that have not had certification under the newer versions of the environment.

I know most of thsi is level II type subject matter….but they are areas that we have had no formal training on the items below due to tech II, at the time,  focused on tcl and HL7, grm and queue architecture/recovery.

Thanks!

xml – simple inbound to outbound example

x12 – “

VRL’s HRL’s –

UPOC protocol

Http protocol

tcpip multiserver

ftps

if there are other embedded enhancements in the product that aren’t readily apparent…that might also be, as  arule, advantagous to know about.

Would you have a rough syllabus available ?

Thanks.

Good luck,.

Im comin out so I figure whatever….I’ll be under “the master’s” tutor-idge…how can it be bad ? 😉

Bob

Charlie, I would make any adjustments you feel are necessary for Level III and perhaps offer another class to cover additional topics like protocols, XML or workflow kinds of items.  I like the idea of making tcl a pre-req.

I’ve already taken Level 3 and don’t feel the need to revisit it, but I’d certainly be interested in a separate class just dealing with the Advanced Protocols such as FTPS, HTTPS, XML, X12, etc. as these weren’t taught in my Level 3, either (probably for the same reason you mentioned in your earlier post.  😕 )

I agree with James; these topics are something that we are going to be dealing with more and more, and there isn’t alot of information regarding the use of these (XML, HTTPS, etc.)….

Jim Cobane

Henry Ford Health

Seems to me that a lot of the background on XML, etc. could be handled by short web-based courses that cover where to find the information that will bring a student up to speed: a link bank, more or less, with some value-added material.

One problem with that is X12–free information was starting to become available when DISA got cranky.  UN-EDIFACT isn’t a particularly good substitute for learning it, either.

Maybe “Extended Course Packs” for a small extra fee?  “Here ya go kid, read this if you want to get the terse version of the Hooptigonian FQZ7.j protocol” (or X12).  Are member organizations required to charge the ridiculous prices DISA charges?

I think that would solve three problems at once.  It would provide information that would be expensive to obtain otherwise; “gather the pointers” to a sort of “standard” set of information resources; and it would leave getting the necessary background to the student (removing the burden of trying to cover it in a live course.)

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You can lead them to water but you can’t make them drink  😀

Oddly, when I first started using Tcl (my hot languages at the time were Lisp and Perl) I would drink at the drop of a hat.

It wasn’t  water of course …  🙄

Kevin (almost everything I know about Cloverleaf I learned from the documentation) Kinnell

HCPA

Hattiesburg, MS

Kevin,

Have you looked at wedi.org for X12/HIPAA?

I don’t think their membership fee is outlandish, but then again we are just starting to look at them.

Jim Kosloskey

Jim,

I last looked at them a while back — I think I was looking for info on the hIDc at that time.  You’re right, their dues are pretty reasonable.  I may join even if the enterprise doesn’t.

Thanks!

Good point but it also something an individual can do.

Charlie,

I have couple of questions:

#1. I wonder if there are plans to make Cloverleaf Level 1/2/3 available as web-based training.

#2. Is there a way to get CL certification without attending a training course?

It happened that I had to take over from the interface programmer who left the company couple of years ago. I didn’t have any formal training of CL or TCL. I had to jump into support (and later building new)  interfaces using CL manuals, this forum, couple of nice books on Tcl/Tk and looking at existing interfaces to build my knowledge.

I’m not sure what would be my level according to Cloverleaf certification but judging from the descriptions of the courses I am probably somewhere at the Level 2.

Saying all that, attending Level 1 and possibly Level 2 courses can be waste of time and money for my company. But if there was a web based training for level 2 I would attend as I would be able to pick topics that I don’t have knowledge of and skip through the things I do know.

That would also prepare me for Level 3 training that I would be interested to attend.

Any comments will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Charlie,

Thank you for such quick reply!